February 10, 2012

This is the real Land of Confusion



I am sure you have no idea what's happening in Greece right now...

as what you hear on the news and what foreign goverments are telling have no match with the truth. In the next days Greece will move 50 years back (Greek people not Greek politicians of course), either by signing the I.M.F.'s loan treaty and its conditions or because people will make a rebellion and drive the country into bankruptcy. If you still wonder why to choose the rebellion ask yourself if you can live with 400 E per month, extremely high taxes and no better future until 2020 because that's what the situation is going to be according to (some parts of) the memorandum.

I could have described more thoroughly all these changes for the worst but it doesn't matter. It is natural that all countries in Europe are looking for their own interest but European leaders should have never made humiliating comments about Greek people and nation. I can understand (and hope) that simple European people do not think like their leaders as we don't either but I am afraid the majority of people here in Greece at this moment detest the rest of Europe and do not want any help (By the way this was never "help" but loans with great deal of profit , not only in money, for the lenders) . I am very sorry for this but the responsibility is entirely on the shoulders of Europe, especially when they are dictating exactly what Greek people should be doing, as if we were slaves or machines and not people.

I will be writing more on this subject...

5 comments:

H said...

What does the latest vote tell us now?

We have accepted all terms, no matter how painful the measures are and we would probably do it again and again and again and...

It feels more like enslavement to the Europeans and the worst is that we gave our acquiescence for it so simply. The new memoratum is called a "tough austerity measures" and is as good as a huge book that NOONE really studied before voting.

What an irony, they just gave our pride away for a bunch of cold pages full of strict regulations and terms. Will this ever end?

smelly said...

while i understand your anger and feeling of helplessness lets not forget what happened in the years before the current crisis:

greek politicians (who have been elected by the greek people) faked statistics to gain entry into the Euro currency zone.
thus, the subsequent investments by the other european economies (who trusted the greek politicians) were built, right from the start, at least partly on sand.
now that the sand has all slipped away the walls are tumbling and - of course - the european companies and governments try to save as much of their money as is possible (thats what they have to do for the sake of their OWN citizens, tax payers, and customers!)

George_k said...

First of all Italy, Germany, Belgium, Portugal and some other countries (in fact almost all of them) faked statistics back then, and this is a fact. If Europe knew that our statistics were not corresponding to the truth why there were no actions of any kind.

Moreover, our current prime minister (who has been an executive of Goldman Sachs for 10 years)is the same man who made those statistics so how come Europe is negotiating with him again?

The thing is that there is no Europe any more, but countries with money of central Europe which follow Germany in everything, and countries of the south with economical problems which have no rights anymore in Europe.

If our politicians are corrupted (and they definitely are) E.U. can freely punish them, but not punish the people. But of course this is not the plan. The plan is to take from Greece anything they can while we are helpless to negotiate and deny. E.U. did not cause the crisis but the so-called help is not help but punishment and humiliation.

Do not think this is so simple, there are many economical and political games behind all these but there is a great danger of disunity and hatred among European people.

smelly said...

for starters, i'm aware that we wont be able to encapsulate the whole dilemma here in the comments of a random music blog; and neither was it my intention to even try to do so.
what i wanted to do, however, is point out that you should not fall prey to what is called the "confirmation bias": seeking out and dealing with only those information that confirm your views, while disregarding and ignoring information that contradict your views.
for instance, the "plan" u mention does not make any sense at all. in fact, the creditors to whom greece is owing money are prepared to grant a 130 billion euro bail-out (and that even after greece has already received billions in credits with favourable rates of interest) - this is not what i would call "tak[ing] from greece anything they can".
the point is, the greek people are partly (not completely of course, but partly!) responsible for the current crisis: they voted (and even re-voted, as u already said) corrupt and incompetent politicians for decades. and since this was one of the factors that lead to the crisis, the greeks have to shoulder a part of the responsibility.
and of course, the EU and other creditors can only negotiate with the politicians that are in office - namely those the greeks voted for.

George_k said...

The only thing that is certain is that we are never going to agree anyway. There is a saying here that goes like "If you are out of the dance, you can sing many songs". If you are not here you cannot know the entire truth. Even here you have to do some research to find some of it mostly because the media are not revealing the "details". I think it is better to drop this for now... (Or you can agree with me and end it :D)